I'm going to be overhauling most of the suspension components over the next couple weeks, and I wanted to make a thread to compile some potentially helpful information. There's a few similar threads out there, but I figured an updated version couldn't hurt. Plus I found some REALLY good deals on some of the bushings, so I would love to help some of you save some cash.
I'll be adding to this post as I make progress, let me know if you have any questions!
Section 1: Bushing Parts
To figure out which parts to order, I used the Energy Suspension 92-96 masterkit as a guide. The kit contains the following parts:
Front Control Arm Bushings - 16.3106 (upper control arm bushings [not pictured, but Figure 1, #11 goes through this bushing] and lower control arm bushing [Figure 1, #13])
Front Strut Arm Bushings - 16.7103 (Figure 2, #11, 12, 15, 16)
Front Coil Spring Isolators - 16.6101 (Figure 3, #10)
Front Shock Mount Bushings - 16.8106 (Figure 2, #8 and Figure 3, #7)
Front Bump Stops - 16.9101 (Figure 3, #13)
Rear Control Arm Bushings - 16.3112 (upper control arm bushings [not pictured, but Figure 4, bolt 44 goes through this bushing] and lower control arm bushing [not pictured, but Figure 4, bolt 43 goes through this bushing])
Rear Coil Spring Isolators - 16.6103 (Figure 5, #8 )
Rear Shock Mount Bushings - 16.8108 (Figure 3, #28, Figure 5, #13)
Rear Bump Stops - 16.9102 (Figure 5, #12)
Note: "Strut arm bushings" are the radius rod bushings (Figure 2, #11, 12, 15, 16)
I will not be changing the front/rear bump stops at this time (did not order), and I will not be changing the front/rear coil spring isolators (I did order these). I'll be installing coilovers in the Summer, so I figured I'd skip a few steps and just change these when I put the coilovers in.
In addition to the parts included in the master kit, you will need several additional pieces:
Rear Trailing Arm Bushing - 16.7105 (Figure 4, #18 and the other is not pictured, but goes in the other side of the trailing arm, to the left of bolt 38 in Figure 4)
Front Sway Bar Bushing kit (contains 2) - Moog K90194 ($22.35 on Amazon) (also several ES part #'s available depending on OEM/aftermarket swaybar) (Figure 2, #2)
Rear Sway Bar Bushing kit (contains 2) - Moog K90578 ($8.50 on Amazon) (also several ES part #'s available depending on OEM/aftermarket swaybar) (Figure 4, #13)
Figure 1 (Knuckle)
Figure 2 (Front Lower Arm)
Figure 3 (Front Shock Absorber)
Figure 4 (Rear Lower Arm)
Figure 5 (Rear Shock Absorber)
Additional labeled diagrams can be found here. These diagrams are from the Helm's manual, instead of the parts diagrams I included above. Both are useful to have.
(thanks to Merlin @ LudeGeneration.uk: http://www.ludegeneration.co.uk/hon...set-and-trailing-arm-polybush-guide-t580.html)
Section 2: Bushing Prices
Here are the best prices I was able to find:
AutoHance.com (free shipping on orders >$100):
16.3106 (control arm) - $38.47
16.8106 (shock mount) - $16.07
16.3112 (control arm) - $25.98
16.6103 (coil spring isolator) - $9.06
16.6101 (coil spring isolator) - $9.30
Amazon.com (this is where I was able to save a TON, using the Prothane equivalent part#'s)
Prothane 8-1202 (ES=16.7103)(front strut rod) - $13.49 (ES part is $18.60)
Prothane 8-316 (ES=16.7105) (rear trailing arm bushing) - $7.03 (ES part is $46.27)
Prothane 8-906 (ES=16.8108 ) (rear shock mount) - $6.36 (ES part is $26.70)
The masterkit costs around $140 on Amazon and eBay, so I was able to get the extra pieces and still pay less than the kit price!
I could even order the bump stops and still be under the kit's price.
Section 3: Ball Joints
I'll also be changing out the outer and inner tie rods, as well as all the upper and lower balljoints, just for good measure and peace of mind. I'll compile some relevant info on that here:
Also see this thread for some very helpful balljoint information (thank you TypeSHPersonality): http://www.preludepower.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349707
Front/rear lower ball joints: MOOG K500215 (4 total)
Front upper ball joints: Moog K500128
If you prefer OEM parts, order 2x of the lower ball joint kit (04510-SL5-000). Each kit comes with 2 ball joints, 2 axle nuts, and several cotter pins. Even though some people prefer OEM parts, in this scenario, I would prefer to use replacement parts because of the warranty they come with. Moog stands behind their products, and offers a lifetime warranty on their balljoints.
Section 4: Ball Joint Prices
After much calculation, I've decided to skip the Moog balljoints, and went with balljoint kits from 1AAuto.com. I've ordered from them in the past, and their service seems to be very good. I ordered balljoints for my Civic a few months back, and somehow received a balljoint without a boot. I contacted them and had another balljoint within just a couple of days. Judging by some forum posts I've read (example: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/880052-moog-vrs-1a-auto-ball-joints-comparison-picture.html), as well as the balljoints I've received from them in the past, their quality seems good enough to me. I ordered 2x front lower ball joint kit ($26.95, part# 1ASFK00881) and 1x of the front upper ball joint kit ($31.95 1ASFK01064). I am unsure about the rear upper ball joints; can't seem to find any definitive information. I know you can order the whole upper control arm with the balljoint already installed, but since I'm getting the upper control arm bushings with the lower control arm bushing kit, I didn't see much point to waste the new bushings and buy new control arms just for the balljoints. When I install the rest of the ball joints, I'll compare the uppers and see if they're the same as the front. I'm guessing that they are, in which case I'll need to order another kit.
Total for the 4 lower and 2 upper ball joints was $85.85, with free shipping. Not bad, consider that the Moog parts would cost around $151.66, using Amazon prices of $23.68 and 22.47 for the lower and upper, respectively.
Section 5: Tie Rods
These were much more straight-forward than the rest of the parts.
You'll need 2x inner tie rods (#1), 1 outer right (#13), and 1 outer left (#15) tie rods. This would also be a good time to replace the boots. One of mine is ripped, so I'll probably just replace both of them for good measure.
Here are the Moog part#'s:
Inner tie rod (2x) - EV800296 ($20.21 on Amazon)
Outer left tie rod - ES80682 ($30.07 on Amazon)
Outer right tie rod - ES80681 ($30.78 on Amazon)
I actually went with Driveworks brand inner tie rods, because I was able to get them for around $10/each at AdvanceAuto after coupon and rewards. Lifetime warranty, so not a huge deal to me; should be fine.
Section 6: Stabilizer Bar End-links
I will probably not be replacing these, unless I discover that they're super jacked up when I take everything apart. Either way, here are the part numbers for them:
Front (2x) - Moog K750272 ($16.35 on Amazon)
Rear (2x) - Moog K750246 ($23.53 on Amazon)
Total price for all 4 would be $79.76.
Section 6: Cost Summary
Here I will add up the total costs to replace all the parts I've mentioned above, including the ones I chose not to purchase. This will be the total cost for the suspension overhaul. Although I plan to paint the suspension components before I reinstall, it's not completely necessary, so I won't include those costs here.
Total came to $471.15, which includes the front/rear bump stops, stabilizer bar bushings and end-links, and also assumes that the rear upper balljoints are the same as the front uppers, which I have not yet confirmed. Personally, I've chosen not to replace those things, so my total costs were around $293.61.
I've chosen to be a bit more strategic to save some money, but I think under $500 for a COMPLETELY refreshed suspension is a pretty good deal. Every bushing, every tie rod, ball joint, everything NEW. I wonder how much labor would cost to get all this installed.... maybe $1,000+. It's a big job, but I think it's more than manageable for you to do it yourself. There's really no better way to learn.
Section 7: Conclusion
Feel free to reply with questions. I've got email alerts enabled for this thread, so I'll be able to reply if anybody needs help figuring anything out. Also, you NEED the factory service manual to complete this task. Check my sig below for a link to download a copy.
Also, if you're on Reddit, stop over at /r/HondaPrelude. We're small, but growing slowly. It's nice to have a community of Luders on reddit, especially since the forums are basically all dead, at least compared to what they used to be. :unhappy:
I am planning to add additional sections as I complete the installation over the next several weeks. Stay tuned!
Source: https://www.preludepower.com/threads/suspension-overhaul-5th-gen-base.443026/
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